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kellermann, like david hemenway, was paid by the centers for disease control and prevention (the CDC) back in the 80s and 90s. kellermann and hemenway were favorite researchers of the CDC. they are obviously biased, and their result-oriented research always reaches the same conclusions, but we’re s...

yes, we quoted elder oaks earlier today. we also quoted j. reuben clark earlier today, in fuller context. you may want to read elder oaks' article in its entirety . elder oaks went on to state that the bill of rights is "scriptural," in his opinion. I see you quoted parts of it, but inter...

if we define phony as "intended to deceive or mislead," then yes, they're phony. Actually, they're not. They are not deceiving or misleading. They are facts, supported by multiple scientific research studies including meta-analysis. Please show me how they are incorrect and I will listen ...

Steve, the debate is not over. I do not believe that owning a gun is an unalienable right. I do not believe that the second amendment should be used to allow unfettered access to firearms for self-defense. I do not agree with DC vs. Heller and pray for the day that the supreme court looks at this is...

Ian wrote:hey hold on, i haven't found time yet to debunk betsy's phony statistics!

They're not phony. But maybe, just maybe, if you say it enough, it will come true.

That was a single example offered quickly to refute your claim that you read my block quotes. But I did not return to this thread to argue with you, Micah. Actually, I have read your block quotes, and I still do no understand what you are saying. You have one quote from Elder Benson (note, this is ...

President Ezra Taft Benson: In particular I am opposed to any attempt on the part of the federal government to deny the people their right to bear arms... Ok, so are you basing your whole argument for gun control on this one quotation by President Benson? No other quotations? I just want to make su...

well, john lott also holds a phd in economics and for five years he was a fellow at the u. of chicago but he also held positions at yale law and stanford and other institutions of higher learning, which some people find impressive. david hemenway has also been repeatedly discredited, and the the li...

Your barbed sarcasm reveals that you are more aligned with this family's general character than you might care to be. And your use of it is ironic given the content of your post. Well, I guess the fox news comment was a bit low and was sarcastic (but barbed?). Sorry! And yet I am not sure what else...

the research of david hemenway is no more reliable that the research of john lott (for example). those guys are constantly fighting each other about the data. both guys seem to have good credentials, but they arrive at opposite conclusions. that’s how research works. take betsy’s “research paper,” ...

Micah. You are lucky we love you, and I understand that your thoughts were likely expressed in a moment of frustration and stress, but that they also reveal more serious issues. I do not have time right this second to share my thoughts fully, but I am going to. You are turning this issue into a We ...

Questions: How much gun control are you ok with? Would you be ok with people having machine guns? Nuclear weapons? High caliber military grade 100mm artillery? Everyone here is saying they are against gun control. Please clarify what you are against, as “gun control” is very broad. Are background ch...

And Steve's block quotes have been repeatedly, undeniably, blatantly, and arbitrarily dismissed. I feel like an idiot because I have read Steve's block quotes and I really don't see how they apply to gun control. I would love to hear how they convinced you! Please! Someone present the argument that...

I appreciate the civil discussion about this, I know that I am in the minority in this group. Personally, I am not at all shocked by this announcement. The church has as sorts of policies that don't make sense to me. What I think has bothered me most about this, is how so many people are trying to m...

How are this: Joseph Smith taught that there were certain sins so grievous that man may commit, that they will place the transgressors beyond the power of the atonement of Christ. If these offenses are committed, then the blood of Christ will not cleanse them from their sins even though they repent....