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simply put, the twilight series is erotic. many girls find it alluring. "the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak."
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This is interesting.

'Twilight' loses luster with Deseret Book

By Ethan Thomas

Deseret News
Published: Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:51 a.m. MDT

Anyone who is thinking about checking out the craze that is Stephenie Meyer's Twilight series need not attempt to find a copy of any of the best-selling vampire romance novels on the shelves of Deseret Book.

The bookstore chain, which is owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, recently confirmed that copies of any of the books in the popular series will no longer be found amongst the merchandise in any of its 38 stores.

While the books have been taken off the shelves, Deseret Book customers can still get their hands on a copy of one of the books by special ordering them through the store.

Deseret Book spokeswoman Leigh Dethman issued a statement from the company explaining the decision.

"Our top priority is to meet the needs of our customers, who increasingly represent a variety of viewpoints," the statement said. "Like any retailer, our purpose is to offer products that are embraced and expected by our customers. When we find products that are met with mixed review, we typically move them to special order status."

The majority of Deseret Book's business comes from religious books, but they do offer a variety of other fiction and non-fiction titles.

While "Twilight" is being pulled, "The Host," another of Meyer's books that is not part of the Twilight series, will still be available for purchase at Deseret Book.

Meyer is a member of the LDS church and a BYU graduate.

The news that the book is not being sold at the bookstore was unexpected by some customers.

"There is really nothing deep, sadistic or evil in it so it kind of surprises me that they wouldn't sell it anymore," Gail Wehunt, of Redding, Calif., said while shopping at the downtown Salt Lake City location Wednesday night. "The Harry Potter books got more deep than the Twilight ones did, I think."

Amber Kirkland of Taylorsville said that while she has not read the books, she has heard plenty about them from her roommates, who love them. She thinks that Deseret Book most likely would rather be "safe than sorry."

But others were not surprised to hear of the change.

Becky Jean Williams, of Salt Lake City, said the move is not surprising at all to her.

Twenty-nine-year-old Williams has read all of the books, but she can see how they could be a little mature for some readers.

"It is not an inappropriate romance novel but I can understand that Deseret Book would not want to sell it," Williams said. "I think (the books) are fine, and really mild compared to the rest of the world, but I can understand why."
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Boy, I needed a good hearty laugh early this morning. Sorry this article is long, you can easily skim it. This is hysterical and yet so pitiful.
M E R I D I A N M A G A Z I N E

Book of Mormon Stories That Steph Meyer Tells to Me
LDS Themes in the Twilight Saga and The Host
By Jana Riess

For hundreds of book reviews of LDS interests like this, go to BYU Studies Reviews.

Publishing professionals call it a phenomenon. In 2008, Little, Brown sold 27.5 million copies of Stephenie Meyer’s four vampire novels; the Twilight movie grossed $191 million in domestic box office sales; and Meyer’s adult novel, The Host, sold an additional million copies. Publishers Weekly crowed, “A new queen has been crowned.” USA Today reported that Meyer was the bestselling author in the world for the year 2008, accounting for one in five of the books sold from Thanksgiving to Christmas.[ii]

That’s not bad for an author who, as the media incessantly reminds us, is little more than a “Mormon housewife.” It seems that nearly every major article about Meyer’s success has focused on this label, as though Mormon housewives constitute a group of whom little can be reasonably expected.

Time magazine called her “a Mormon housewife turned novelist,”[iii] while Entertainment Weekly trumpeted the fact that back in 2003, Meyer had been “a 29-year-old Mormon housewife” who was mystified by the rarefied world of New York publishing and was merely a member of a “cozy, supportive” women’s writing group before being plucked from obscurity by a New York agent.[iv] The Time profile, in fact, went out of its way to attest to Meyer’s literary inexperience: “Meyer had not written anything much before then. Her main creative outlets were scrapbooking and making elaborate Halloween costumes.”[v]

For the record, Meyer studied English literature at Brigham Young University, wrote some, and read widely before having her famous dream that birthed Edward Cullen, a Byronic but noble vampire. The media would prefer to have Meyer’s pre-Twilight world intellectually limited because it makes for a better story. To that end, they have revived the term “housewife” instead of using today’s far more common (and less provincial) phrase, “stay-at-home mom.” The persistence of the housewife image says a good deal less about contemporary Mormonism than it does about what Americans believe about Mormonism.

If the media cannot get the major facts of Meyer’s own story straight, it is not surprising that journalists have missed a good deal of the theological underpinnings of her work. When Mormon themes are mentioned at all, they are explicitly tied to sexual abstinence to the exclusion of all else. That is not to say that sexuality is not a hugely important element of Twilight, or indeed of all vampire fiction: vampirism is nearly always a literary stand-in for eroticism, and falling in love with a vampire is the pinnacle of forbidden fruit.[vi] But the media’s focus on the steamy but restrained sexuality of the Twilight series, equating “Mormonism” with the fact that Bella and Edward do not have intercourse until marriage, misses the richest connections between LDS theology and Meyer’s writing.

At least the Atlantic recognized this tendency and grieved it: in Caitlin Flanagan’s brilliant article about the Twilight saga’s commercial appeal, she noted that, although every reviewer had made mention of Meyer’s Mormonism, “none knows what to do with it, and certainly none can relate it to the novel.”[vii]

Meyer has publicly declared the Book of Mormon to be the book that has made the most significant impact on her life. A careful reading of her fiction attests to the reality of this statement; it is not just window dressing or pious platitude. Meyer’s theology is impressionistic and not systematic, and it is always embedded within story—very much like in the Book of Mormon itself—yet it is clearly discernible.

One of the most important theological aspects of the Twilight series is its emphasis on what the Book of Mormon would term overcoming the “natural man” (Mosiah 3:19). This phrase crops up throughout LDS scripture as a reflection on sin and redemption. To understand this term, we have to go back to the first parents, Adam and Eve. The specific transgression that resulted in their exile and the fall of humanity stemmed from the desire to become like God.

The Book of Mormon’s unique twist on traditional Judeo-Christian theology ties their proactive decision to partake of the forbidden fruit to their desire for procreation. The Book of Mormon also makes the audacious claim that the pair chose to give up mere immortality for the chance of eternal life in relationship—with God, each other, and future children. As a result of their choice, their life in the fallen world would be a struggle, and human nature would become something to transcend.

In Twilight, the problem of a carnal, sinful nature is embodied and symbolized by the figure of Edward. His sole purpose in life (well, death) is to feed on human blood, to be literally carnal and carnivorous. Edward, encouraged by his foster father, Carlisle, makes the decision to reject this way of life for a better, if more difficult, one. He makes this choice on a daily basis, and the temptation is always strong, especially when a new girl shows up at high school whose blood “sings” to him.[viii]

Mormonism teaches that the natural human stands in opposition to Christ. The natural person is selfish, whereas Christ is selfless; the natural person is carnal, whereas Christ is incarnational. In Mosiah 3:19, King Benjamin expresses it this way:

For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father.

In the Book of Mormon, the term “natural man” is not employed just to describe the wicked or the immoral but anyone prone to the human condition of alienation from God.[ix] It is a description of the absence of relationship, not a tidy pejorative statement about immorality. It is disarmingly universal.

In Twilight, Edward is able, through sheer willpower and a desire to do no harm, to subdue his monstrous nature and avoid preying on humans for many decades. But it is not until Bella comes into his life that he is transformed by love, and he makes efforts to become like the “children” he calls his senior high classmates.[x] Saying that he becomes submissive and meek is a stretch—in fact, his behavior is often mercurial and inscrutable—but what changes fundamentally for Edward is the new desire to live wholly for another.

As he tells Bella, “You are my life now.”[xi] In Twilight, Edward’s self-control goes a long way toward throwing off the natural man, but it is Bella, working as a kind of Christ figure, who becomes a vehicle of grace in Edward’s transformation. Her determination that he does indeed possess a soul goes a long way toward convincing him that he does. Her trust in his nobility in turn generates in him a new confidence that he is worthy of her trust, and that he can withstand unthinkable temptation.

Choice and accountability are crucial values here, not just for Edward and Bella, but for her friend Jacob as well. When Bella and Jacob get in a heated argument about Jacob’s werewolf nature, Bella spits the retort, “It’s not what you are, stupid, it’s what you do!”[xii] She is telling Jacob that he does not have to act on any natural inclinations a werewolf might have to destroy or to feed. He is free. In the Book of Mormon, right choices pave the way for receiving Christ’s Atonement, which is the “way for our escape from the grasp of this awful monster; yea, that monster, death and hell, which I call the death of the body, and also the death of the spirit” (2 Ne. 9:10; see also verse 19). Just as important for Meyer, love saves us from the monster within.

In the Book of Mormon, Alma teaches that mortality is a “probationary state” during which humankind strives to overcome its evil nature (Alma 42:10). But in Twilight, such testing happens in immortality as well, calling attention to a second major Mormon theme: the basic but subtle Mormon distinction between immortality and eternal life. The vampires in Twilight represent some of the less savory aspects of immortality. Not being mortal means not being subject to death, and in the case of Meyer’s vampires it also means certain enhancements in the form of superhuman strength and speed, acute hearing, or clairvoyance. But immortality, with all its perks, is not a gift to be envied. There is a loneliness and restlessness to the Cullen family. They are isolated from their kind by their decision to become the vampiric equivalent of vegetarians and are doomed to roam the earth as inconspicuously as possible, which precludes close relationships with humans.

There is a flatness, an eternal sameness, to this life, symbolized most prominently by the vampires’ inability to procreate. Carlisle and Esme cannot have children, and Rosalie knows that her greatest longing in life—to have a baby—will never come to pass. This reality causes her deep bitterness, especially when she sees Bella so ready to blithely throw away her precious human life and her ability to become a mother.

But in the final installment of the quadrilogy, Bella gets to have it all—motherhood of a unique child, superhuman strength and immortality, and a perfect soul mate in Edward—and she can enjoy these blessings for eternity. Here the series’ love story trips over something more substantial: a rumination on the social context of eternal life. In Mormonism, eternal life includes the promise of a resurrected, perfect body, which Bella receives when she gives her life to save her child.

Meyer is careful to show that Bella does not throw over her precious humanity merely to be with Edward or stay young forever; in a crisis, she gives herself up to save another, typifying Christ’s teaching that “greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends” (John 15:13). Bella then enters a post-resurrection world, and she brings her husband and daughter with her. Mormon beliefs about bodily resurrection do not differ markedly from those of orthodox Christianity; the distinctions are more a matter of degree.

Almost all Christians affirm the resurrection of the body, but few have speculated about what we might actually be doing with those bodies in the hereafter. Mormonism nourishes the idea that those bodies will be sources of strength and pleasure, of creation and procreation, of worship and marital sexual expression—all of which Bella experiences in her new state. Moreover, in Mormonism, resurrection occurs in the context of relationship, not aloneness. Bella enjoys her new body in the company of her immediate circle of Edward and Renesmee, but also in the bosom of her new family, the Cullens.

A third and final theme woven into Meyer’s fiction is her commitment to the theological principle of agency—a theme that is central to The Host, her adult novel. The Host has some funny Mormon trappings, which even my non-Mormon friends who have read the book picked up on. At one point Wanderer, the parasitic Soul who takes over Melanie’s human body, is adamant that she has “never refused a Calling,” and plenty of Latter-day Saints will recognize the archetypal frog-in-the-boiling-water analogy as an inside joke.[xiii] There is even an apocalyptic Mormon survivalist ethos in the characters of Jeb and Maggie, who eccentrically stockpile food and water and live separate from the power grid in the expectation that, someday, disaster will come.

But a deeper Mormon theology undergirds The Host, even more explicitly than in the Twilight saga. The character of Wanderer, who has experienced full lives on seven different planets, with many diverse hosts, provides a unique perspective on the contradictions of human life. On the one hand, she is appalled by the atrocities of humanity, especially war and torture, but she is also inexplicably drawn to the richness of human emotion. As Melanie’s mind competes more and more effectively with her own, Wanderer briefly contemplates skipping out on her Calling for an easier one, but she finds that other planets seem dull and unappealing after the complexity of human life, riddled with its many contradictions. “This place was truly the highest and the lowest of all worlds,” Wanderer reflects. It has “the most beautiful senses, the most exquisite emotions . . . the most malevolent desires, the darkest deeds. Perhaps it was meant to be so. Perhaps without the lows, the highs could not be reached.”[xiv]

In other words, “It must needs be, that there is an opposition in all things” (2 Nephi 2:11). Wanderer—who adopts the human name “Wanda” as she goes native—comes to realize that the harmonious existence she has always prized as a Soul is a fallacy masking a hidden dystopia. Because the Souls’ lifestyle offers no choice, no true freedom, the surface beauty of the Souls’ civilization—which has eliminated war, pain, and disease—begins to disintegrate. It is a mere illusion.

In contrast, the wild gorgeousness of humanity simply refuses to be snuffed out. Melanie’s tenacious self-assertion stands in for humankind’s refusal to accept anything less than all of it: the woolly mess of light and dark, good and evil, joy and despair. And in the end, it takes both Melanie’s passion and Wanda’s tranquil self-sacrifice to achieve the novel’s resolution. Opposition is the key, ironically, to harmony and justice.

Meyer’s use of the Mormon doctrine of agency is evidenced in the character of the Seeker, an ambitious and almost fanatical Soul who believes she is doing humans a great favor by giving them perfection, assurance, and safety in exchange for their spirits.

Any Latter-day Saint reader will recognize this ideology as Satan’s ill-fated plan to “save” every person by removing even the possibility that they could choose anything other than God. In the novel, the Seeker plays the Lucifer role in some fairly obvious ways: dressing in nothing but black, pursuing Wanderer at every turn, seeking opportunities for self-aggrandizement, relishing her role as the god of this world, and loathing humanity and its emotions. In the novel’s contempt for the Seeker, Meyer holds up human freedom as paramount, and any system that would deny that freedom, no matter how attractive it may seem on the surface, is deeply flawed.

On a personal note, I have mixed feelings about Meyer’s fiction. I find the theology intriguing and often beautiful and her plots wonderfully imaginative, but she is correct when she assesses herself as a storyteller more than a writer.[xv] More than with the technical problems in the writing, I find myself concerned about the retrogressive gender stereotypes in all of her novels, particularly the ineptitude of Bella. Although the novels repeatedly tell the reader that Bella is smart and strong, they repeatedly show her powerlessness. She passes out; she trips repeatedly; she is victimized three times in the first novel alone, only to be rescued by Edward.

Worse than Bella’s role as a damsel-in-distress is her disturbing tendency to blame herself for everything, expose herself to serious harm, take over all the homemaking chores for a father who seems incapable of the most rudimentary standards of self-care, and sacrifice everything for a man who is moody, unpredictable, and even borderline abusive. Many women readers will also be troubled by the extreme self-abasement of Wanda in The Host, particularly one scene where she mutilates her own flesh and another where she lies to protect the man who tried to murder her. These are themes I hope do not originate with Meyer’s Mormonism. But while they are cause for concern, they do not mar the creative spirit and theological matrix of Meyer’s work.

Jana Riess (who can be reached via email at byu_studies@byu.edu) received her PhD in American religious history and is the author or co-author of seven books, including Mormonism for Dummies (Wiley, 2005) and What Would Buffy Do? The Vampire Slayer as Spiritual Guide (Wiley, 2004). She spent nine years as the Religion Book Review Editor for Publishers Weekly and is now an acquisitions editor at Westminster John Knox Press.
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Here are two opposing reviews for New Moon both by LDS writers. The first is by Jeanette Smith a licensed marriage and family therapist. Sorry this is long.
It’s a tad disconcerting to think that the world believes Stephanie Meyer is reflecting Mormon values simply because she doesn’t allow her characters to sleep together before marriage. My values do not support high school students engaging in a passionate, soul-wrenching love affair, simply because they don’t have sex. My values don’t advocate teenagers sleeping in the same bed, as long as they don’t have sex. My values don’t claim teens can deceive their parents, as long as they don’t have sex.

President Hinckley taught, “When you are young, do not get involved in steady dating. When you reach an age where you think of marriage, then is the time to become so involved. But you boys who are in high school don’t need this, and neither do the girls.” (Italics mine)

Prophets have repeatedly warned teenagers against emotional intimacy. Mormon values not only discourage sex before marriage, they discourage serious romance between high school students.

The emotional intimacy poignantly depicted in New Moon can be as dangerous for teens as physical intimacy. Consider the ramifications of the break-up. Bella is so distraught when Edward leaves that she becomes clinically depressed, a depression that includes suicidal ideation. Such emotional trauma really does happen to teenagers who have been passionately in love and then break up.

I know a 15-year-old girl became anorexic after her boyfriend dumped her. I know another who jumped off a building and killed herself. I know another who sliced the tires of her boyfriend’s car, and keyed his new paint job (twice).

Romantic love is tremendously powerful. Meyer does an unparalleled job of depicting the power of romantic love. The problem is, in real life, when teenagers fall in love they eventually break up. They want to believe their love will withstand all obstacles, just like it does in Twilight, but outside of romance novels, the love can’t withstand the obstacles it will inevitably face. And the ramifications of a break-up can be dire.

For young people, intense emotional intimacy is dangerous even when it doesn’t lead to sex, because when teens are in love parental influence diminishes to practically nothing. Bella doesn’t care what anyone else thinks besides her beloved Edward. She doesn’t listen to her friends; she doesn’t listen to her father; she doesn’t listen to Jacob. She cares only about what Edward thinks.

Diminished parental influence is definitely a phenomenon in real life. Teenagers who fall deeply in love don’t listen to their parents. They only care only about pleasing their beloved. We don’t see the danger of diminished parental influence in New Moon because Edward happens to be the ultimate gentleman and saves Bella from herself. But in real life, high school boys are not such gentlemen. When their girlfriend decides he matters more to her than anything else, and she will do anything he wants, he will not have the restraint of a vegetarian vampire.

The message of New Moon alarms me further because of the intensity of the passion. My husband and I have been married for 27 years, and our children will be the first to acknowledge that we love one another more than anything else in the world. But if my husband said I was the “only” thing that he lived for and that he refused to live in a world where I did not exist, I would send him straight to psychotherapy (with someone other than myself.) It may sound flattering to a teenager to believe that she is that important to someone, but frankly, it’s creepy. The Romeo and Juliet-type obsession is pathological and reflects serious mental illness.

Emotional Intimacy is dangerous in real life because real-life teenagers do not have the self-restraint of these fictional characters. It is dangerous in this fictional series because teenagers want to believe that their lives can imitate fiction. The girls want to believe that their boyfriends will have the self-restraint of an Edward. And that’s not even fair to ask. The fiction deceives teenagers. Just like all romance novels deceive their readers. Even adult women who read romance novels find themselves confusing their reality with fantasy, and frequently make decisions that destroy their reality because they were so sold on the fantasy.

Teenagers, with even less of an appreciation for real life than their mothers, ought to be spared the deceptive fantasy. Any attempt to turn their fantasy into reality is far too dangerous.


The other one is by Richard Eyre who I like but totally disagree with him in this case.
Twilight, Vampires, Abstinence, and Meyer
By Richard Eyre

Let’s say you want to write a book on abstinence. You are concerned that sexual experimentation at ever younger ages is undermining young people’s lives, not to mention the whole society. You feel strongly that the casual, recreational, everyone-does-it-so-its-ok type of sex that permeates every corner of teen age life is leaving serious emotional scars even when it does not pass on physical disease. You abhor the fact that premarital sex and even adultery have become so common and so accepted that they have gone beyond immoral to amoral.

You decide that what is needed…. (and what is beautiful) is a healthy dose of self discipline and a throwback to the days of real romance when restraint and delayed gratification left so much more to the imagination and made the whole idea of love more magical and mysterious and wonderful.

So….you want to write a book on abstinence….but you don’t want it to be a preachy book or a book that polarizes people, or that only ultra conservative people read and like.

How do you write the book? What are your options?

1. Do you write a fact- and statistic- filled non-fiction book, making a strong and argumentative case for the emotional and physical benefits of avoiding promiscuity and saving something for commitment? Or…

2. Do you write a spiritual book that tries to guilt-trip people, believers at least, into more disciplined behavior? Or…

3. Maybe you write a novel where real consequences for immoral behavior are accurately portrayed, and where true happiness belongs to those who were wise enough to wait. Or…

4. Maybe you try to write poetry that captures the beauty and wonder of belonging to one person and of saving everything for the right time and the right person.

But let’s say you are not quite happy with any of these approaches. You want to reach more people than any of these would appeal to. And you want to reach young people, because that is who you are trying to save. You recognize that option 1 would just get lost in the ongoing debate and that it has all been said before. Option 2 would be preaching to the choir, and guilt is not the way you want to go. Option 3 would sound like nothing more than a disguise for your preaching, and option 4, even if you were artistic enough, might sound old fashioned or cheesy.

So you keep thinking about it. What, you ask yourself, would get kids attention? How do you over-dramatize your points about self discipline and restraint to a point where everyone gets it? What is even more wild and hard to control than a teenager’s hormones? What is more dangerous than STDs? What could leave even more emotional scars than sexual misadventures? What is even more sinister than robbing someone of their virginity?

Hey! How about a story about someone with insatiable urges to suck your blood, to kill you, to rob you of your humanness….yet about someone who tries to control these urges, and who does it because of love?
Would that be dramatic enough? Would that get young people’s attention? Could self-disciplined vampires say it all?

That’s my theory.

It’s just a guess. I don’t know Stephanie Meyer. Never met her. The only things we have in common are Church membership, BYU degrees, and New York Times #1 Bestsellers. (And that third comparable is quite a stretch, since ALL of her books have been #1, and stayed there forever while only one of mine ever made it, and didn’t last long at all. You’d have to take a lot of zeros off of her numbers to make our sales or our influence comparable.)

What I do know is that I watched the most famous movie review show on TV and saw two middle aged white guys agree that New Moon was the most romantic movie they had seen in years…..and that the reason they thought it was romantic is that nothing sexual happened, but a lot of restraint and genuine protecting did happen.
So I don’t know Stephanie Meyer, but I’d like to, and I’d like to know if my theory is right. Or even sort of right. Maybe I’ll try to call her after this article runs. Or maybe, if I’m way, way off, she’ll call me!
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